BTT and LogiTech MX 4

[MSealey]

Now that the MX 4 mouse is available, would anyone advise installing the Logitech Options software (again)?

Or can BTT do everything which their own app can do… remembering that many of us deserted it because it was so bloated?

[Volker]

My MX 4 will arrive today - I can share if an how I got it running.

Based on this thread Re-assurance request, please - #9 by MSealey my tendency would be to use BetterMouse in combination with BTT to get it to work.

I know that Andreas is working on a native logitech protocol implementation - maybe there are updates!?

Nonetheless, since this mouse is brand new - I would expect a challenge to make it run.

[MSealey]

Thanks, @Volker!

I have to admit, a little shamefacedly, that I’m so far only really considering the MX 4 because I feel I ought to. The 3S seems the very best mouse for my needs… right-handed non gamer etc.

If I didn’t think that the Options + was such a bloat and that Logitech’s support for it (and everything else for that matter) were good (existent, even!), I would probably never have switched to BTT (and, Yes, BM).

May I ask, @Andreas_Hegenberg, please: any updates, thoughts? TIA!

[Volker]

Below a summary on what I’ve found out so far.

What have I done:

• Checked which buttons of the MX 4 are recognized by default in Better Touch Tool, Karabiner-Elements and Better-Mouse
• Played around with Logitech Option+

Mouse Function	Better Touch Tool	Karabiner-Elements	Better-Mouse
Left Mouse Button	Leftclick	button1	Leftclick
Right Mouse Button	Rightclick	button2	Rightclick
Middle Mouse Button	Middle Mouse Button	button3	Button 2
Button behind Middle Mouse	N/A	N/A	N/A
Scroll Up (vert)	Scroll Up	N/A	Scroll Up
Scroll Down (vert)	Scroll Down	N/A	Scroll Down
Scroll Up (hor)	Scroll left	N/A	Wheel tilt left
Scroll Down (hor)	Scroll right	N/A	Wheel tilt right
Back	Button 3	button4	Button 3
Forward	Button 4	button5	Button 4
Button in front of fwd	Button 5	button6	Button 5
Action Ring Button	Button 6	button7	Button 6

As you can see, the button behind the Middle Mouse Button is not recognized by any of the tested software. This button changes the behavior of the Mouse Wheel (free flow - haptical steps)

Logitech Option+:

• You can freely configure every button
• Even the Button behind the Middle Mouse can be configured
• You can even set a keyboard shortcut to each button
• The software is huge and seems to be bloat
• It's not easy to get completely rid of everything the software installs
• BTT cannot read this keyboard shortcuts set by Logitech Option+ --> this makes it a no go for me

[MSealey]

@Volker - very many thanks for this!

You have no idea how helpful and useful it is (well, perhaps you do): much appreciated

May I ask a couple of questions; not entirely sure, please:

@Volker

Button behind Middle Mouse N/A N/A N/A

I use this all the time: the difference between ‘regular’ (aka ‘slow’/’ratchet’) scrolling and ‘infinite’ - i.e. to get to the bottom (or top) of a very long page quickly and almost effortlessly.

Wouldn’t want to be without it.

I think you’re saying that that scroll switcher is only not (yet? @Andreas_Hegenberg ?) actually recognized by either BTT or BM.

But that it could be configured.

Yes?

Thanks for your comments on Logitech Options+

@Volker

The software is huge and seems to be bloat

That’s my fear. There are lots of reports that it takes up huge CPU power, not to mention memory. Is that still the case?

@Volker

It's not easy to get completely rid of everything the software installs

Even following instructions like these?

@Volker

this makes it a no go for me

You mean you won’t/can’t install their software, don’t you; not that the MX 4 is out of the question altogether for you?

Again, many thanks!

[Volker]

@MSealey

I use this all the time: the difference between ‘regular’ (aka ‘slow’/’ratchet’) scrolling and ‘infinite’ - i.e. to get to the bottom (or top) of a very long page quickly and almost effortlessly.

You want a dedicated button to change the mode between "ratchet" and "infinite"? That was working for me - it seems that the button behind the mouse wheel is used for this.

Personally, I dont want to spend a button for this since the wheel automatically switches to "infinite" if you give it enough momentum.

I want to use this button in BTT for triggering custom actions - since this button is currently not recognized by BTT (and also not Better-Mouse - Dev will start working on MX 4 support later this month) this is impossible.

I'll try to realize it with the Generic Device Feature later today.

@MSealey

That’s my fear. There are lots of reports that it takes up huge CPU power, not to mention memory. Is that still the case?

I haven't done too much testing with it, since I cannot properly use it with BTT - it's not an option for me. The whole software ist around 300 MB big - compared to BTT this is huge.

@MSealey

Even following instructions like these?

This helps - make sure to do this if you have uninstalled Logitech Option+ to get rid of background functionality.

@MSealey

You mean you won’t/can’t install their software, don’t you; not that the MX 4 is out of the question altogether for you?

Yes, that's what I meant.

[Volker]

Update: With the Generic Devices functionality in BTT I was able to make the missing button work. See screenshot for details.

[MSealey]

Many thanks again for the information and directions, @Volker!

If I do decide to get the MX 4, I now know where to come

@Andreas_Hegenberg - do you have plans for any of this, please?

[Andreas_Hegenberg]

@MSealey

do you have plans for any of this

yes, but no ETA

Re-assurance request, please

Unfortunately I don't know about that. I think if you are just looking for logitech customization tools there might currently be better options. However BTT's native logitech protocol implementation has made big steps forward during the last weeks, I hope I'll soon be able to release this (then BTT can completely replace the logitech apps).