BTT Seems to cause sudden User Space Panic and Crash to Login Screen on 10.13.6

Earlier this Summer, I finally had the needed requirements to upgrade from 10.12 Sierra, where BTT ran flawlessly, to 10.13.6 High Sierra, and almost immediately I was plagued with frequent, instant User Space Panics and crashes; i.e., when performing simple operations, such as simply moving the pointer from one display to another, or actually trying to activate a BTT tap gesture, my User Space would freeze, turn all displays to black (very rarely also briefly displaying a spinning gear akin to a normal Logout), then the standard Login Screen appears.

Whether I simply Login again, or Restart, within a few hours or days, another User Space panic and crash will occur, unless I disable BTT.

It took many weeks of trial and error disabling other third party utilities, because the System Logs really didn't seem to capture anything useful at the point of the panics/crashes; then I finally had some BTT crash logs appear at corresponding event times.

I've included the last one below; and I've successfully run for three weeks without such a crash, disabling only BTT.

I'm pretty confident that since the crashes are absolutely all instigated by simply using a pointing device to move or click on a window or object/button/target, and especially if my pointer traverses up and across the Menubar vertically (see screenshot for configuration ion six displays) from the lower-center Main display to an upper display, that BTT is at the root of this repeatable instant panic/crash.

Please advise, and Thanks (I really miss having BTT!!!)

**Affected input device **
panics are triggered from either (Logitech) trackball, Apple Magic Mouse, or Magic Trackpad 2; I also have both an Apple full-size keyboard (USB) and a Kinesis Gaming split keyboard, as well as a generic 10-key number pad; all of which I have temporarily disconnected and still had panics without.

Please note: I have also gone to extreme lengths to disconnect and swap out most hardware and PCIe cards in order to isolate as best is possible to still reproduce the panics.

Screenshots

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Device information:

  • Type of Mac: Mac Pro 3,1 (flashed)
  • macOS version: macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
  • BetterTouchTool version: 2.814 (1094)

Additional information (e.g. StackTraces, related issues, screenshots, workarounds, etc.):

Workaround: disable BTT

Summary

Process: BetterTouchTool [79579]
Path: /Applications/Utilities/BetterTouchTool.app/Contents/MacOS/BetterTouchTool
Identifier: com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool
Version: 2.814 (1094)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: BetterTouchTool [79579]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2019-09-29 00:12:04.473 -0600
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.13.6 (17G8030)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: C05D8191-F5D1-CAFB-A8B2-9AEFECB35C1D

Time Awake Since Boot: 730000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: disabled

Crashed Thread: 1 Dispatch queue: com.apple.root.background-qos

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000008
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal: Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process: exc handler [0]

VM Regions Near 0x8:
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__TEXT 0000000101f0f000-00000001026d2000 [ 7948K] r-x/rwx SM=COW bI [/Applications/Utilities/BetterTouchTool.app/Contents/MacOS/BetterTouchTool]

Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x00007fff503a3111 -[NSObject retain] + 4
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff2b1789fb -[_NSUndoLightInvocation initWithTarget:selector:object:] + 79
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff2b17898c -[NSUndoManager registerUndoWithTarget:selector:object:] + 74
3 com.apple.CoreData 0x00007fff28b766c3 -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _processRecentChanges:] + 1987
4 com.apple.CoreData 0x00007fff28b7a2c8 -[NSManagedObjectContext save:] + 424
5 com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool 0x000000010212e39f -[BSTDragPointCenter findCoreDataDisplayForDisplay:exactMatch:] + 4729
6 com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool 0x000000010212f608 -[BSTDragPointCenter recognizeDisplays] + 2122
7 com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool 0x000000010212fefe -[BSTDragPointCenter applicationDidChangeScreenParameters:] + 575
8 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff2901221c CFNOTIFICATIONCENTER_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_AN_OBSERVER + 12
9 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff290120ea _CFXRegistrationPost + 458
10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff29011e21 ___CFXNotificationPost_block_invoke + 225
11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28fd09b2 -[_CFXNotificationRegistrar find:object:observer:enumerator:] + 1826
12 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28fcfa43 _CFXNotificationPost + 659
13 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff2b0fb817 -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] + 66
14 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff2710d133 -[NSApplication(ScreenHandling) _reactToScreenInvalidationImmediately:] + 354
15 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff2710cf95 __60-[NSApplication(ScreenHandling) _reactToScreenInvalidation:]_block_invoke + 59
16 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff2901a7dc CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_BLOCK + 12
17 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffd713 __CFRunLoopDoBlocks + 275
18 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffd4d8 __CFRunLoopRun + 3128
19 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffc607 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
20 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff282dcd96 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 286
21 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff282dcb06 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 613
22 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff282dc884 _BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInModeWithFilter + 64
23 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff2658ca73 _DPSNextEvent + 2085
24 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff26d22e34 -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 3044
25 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff26581885 -[NSApplication run] + 764
26 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff26550a72 NSApplicationMain + 804
27 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff50fc5015 start + 1

Thread 1 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.root.background-qos
0 com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool 0x00000001021961a2 __dispatch_after_delay_block_invoke + 80
1 com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool 0x0000000102194f57 -[IDMSyncManager synchronizeWithCompletion:] + 306
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f935fa _dispatch_call_block_and_release + 12
3 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f8bdb8 _dispatch_client_callout + 8
4 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f8db2c _dispatch_root_queue_drain + 902
5 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f8d755 _dispatch_worker_thread3 + 101
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd169 _pthread_wqthread + 1387
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbe9 start_wqthread + 13

Thread 2:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.root.background-qos
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff51116c32 kevent_qos + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50fa9a85 _dispatch_kq_poll + 242
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50fa9742 _dispatch_kq_drain + 119
3 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50fa92de _dispatch_event_loop_poke + 649
4 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f9cf66 _dispatch_queue_resume_finalize_activation + 59
5 com.hegenberg.BetterTouchTool 0x00000001021950ce -[IDMSyncManager synchronizeWithCompletion:] + 681
6 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f935fa _dispatch_call_block_and_release + 12
7 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f8bdb8 _dispatch_client_callout + 8
8 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f8db2c _dispatch_root_queue_drain + 902
9 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff50f8d755 _dispatch_worker_thread3 + 101
10 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd169 _pthread_wqthread + 1387
11 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbe9 start_wqthread + 13

Thread 3:: com.apple.NSEventThread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5110c20a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5110b724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffdc45 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffcf97 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffc607 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff266c9fc4 _NSEventThread + 184
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd661 _pthread_body + 340
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd50d _pthread_start + 377
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 4:: com.apple.CFSocket.private
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff51115cf2 __select + 10
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff2903772b __CFSocketManager + 635
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd661 _pthread_body + 340
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd50d _pthread_start + 377
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 5:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5110c20a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5110b724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffdc45 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffcf97 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffc607 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff2903aab3 CFRunLoopRun + 99
6 com.apple.MultitouchSupport.framework 0x00007fff44a21821 mt_ThreadedMTEntry + 71
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd661 _pthread_body + 340
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd50d _pthread_start + 377
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 6:: com.apple.NSURLConnectionLoader
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5110c20a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5110b724 mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffdc45 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 341
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffcf97 __CFRunLoopRun + 1783
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff28ffc607 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 487
5 com.apple.CFNetwork 0x00007fff2813c778 -[__CoreSchedulingSetRunnable runForever] + 722
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff2b124148 NSThread__start + 1197
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd661 _pthread_body + 340
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd50d _pthread_start + 377
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbf9 thread_start + 13

Thread 7:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff5111628a __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dd009 _pthread_wqthread + 1035
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff512dcbe9 start_wqthread + 13

Thread 1 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x0000604000246e40 rcx: 0x0000000000016a9d rdx: 0x0000000000016a9c
rdi: 0x0000000103554900 rsi: 0x0000000000000008 rbp: 0x00007000068b0cc0 rsp: 0x00007000068b0ca0
r8: 0x000000000000000f r9: 0x000000000000002e r10: 0xffff9fbffffadfff r11: 0x0000600000116270
r12: 0x00000001026d8f68 r13: 0x0000000000000000 r14: 0x0000000000000000 r15: 0x00007fff503a3150
rip: 0x00000001021961a2 rfl: 0x0000000000010242 cr2: 0x0000000000000008

Logical CPU: 4
Error Code: 0x00000004
Trap Number: 14

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hey Frederico,

this sounds a lot like a GPU or GPU driver issue. BTT itself runs as a normal app and shouldn't be able to cause such issues. However BTT's snap area feature will use the GPU for accelerated rendering. This it could trigger the issue if there is a problem with the GPU or GPU driver.(or a bug in the system ui server)

The BTT crash you mentioned happened when the system recognized a change in the display configuration (e.g. a display has been removed or the resolution had changed). However it's just an application crash and not related to the system ui server crash.

In general Apple had fixed various issues in relation to the system ui server and gpu in 10.14 and 10.15, but it sounds like you are unable to update to a more current version, correct?

Correct; I had a terrific wait just to be able to move to High Sierra; Mojave and Catalina are just distant dreams for the foreseeable future.

I did note that the BTT crash logs only occasionally appear, though within microseconds of the User Space panic; and I, too, immediately went after the GPU by swapping out to OEM Radeon cards, with only one, and then two displays; it didn’t take long for the panics to reoccur, so I removed the blame from the Nvidia cards before slowly eliminating and reintroducing all third party utilities .

But it makes some sense that the ‘disappearing display’ you note in the log is definitely occurring, inasmuch as when the displays go black, sometimes I see one or more drop out first.

The thing is, though, and I reiterate, I’ve been rock solid for over three weeks without BTT enabled, and all other software and typical workflows in place; whereas with it enabled I might crash out every few hours, especially if I’m not careful in how I move the cursor across the Menubar.

The other thing is, as far as I know, I’m not using window snap, as I use Keyboard Maestro and AppleScript for window management. Is snap enabled by default, and maybe contributing to this issue? Is there a way to be sure it’s not in play?

If I reenable BTT, and the panic returns, is there a different log section, from System.log or other that you can look at?

Thanks for the quick and considered response.

(And, again, I really, really miss using your excellent BTT)

Frederico

Possibly try to disable the snap area feature in BTT completely for now. Maybe you tried it once, then BTT might still have some actions related to it enabled:

However as you noted the crash seems to suggest BTT was active (and crashed - I'll look into that, but it's not related to the general issue) after the screens blacked out. If you encounter the issue again you can also send me the BTT debug info, it's relatively unlikely, but maybe something is showing up in the logs (Help => Export Diagnostic Debug Information). You can send anything you find to andreas@folivora.ai

Otherwise everything you can find in the macOS console app at around the time of the issue might be helpful.

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Also just realize I was still on 2.8.x and so many versions of 3.x available. (; I probably should've stayed with 2.8 for consistency in testing, but went ahead and took the latests 3.x offered, with some hopes that maybe whatever was happening was hidden in an earlier version.

But on window snap? wow. I hadn't looked in there in forever; now I want to actually try using it again! (:

Anyway, it's been on a few minutes, and I've moused and tracked the cursor around like crazy, taking care to move pointer and objects across the menubar, and so far, so good. It will be interesting to see if it just takes time or a perfect set of conditions to blow up again. I may have to turn it off as a precaution here and there, as some apps I have to use this week don't have autosave and I lost too much work over the Summer to this issue to get burned again. Even five minutes can be problematic, especially when I'm supposed to be working on real-time feeds.

Cheers, and Thanks

F

I've not had a single issue since disabling Snap Area as suggested; must be something that frags my nVidia Web Drivers (and probably having six displays set to two resolutions).

EDIT: as soon as I hit post, I recalled that I had installed OEM Radeon cards to isolate the nVidia Web Drivers; so this must indeed be System UI Server (or other).

In one respect, I'm sad that I can't look into using the features; on the other, I didn't even know what all was there for a couple-few years, so I guess I'm not missing out on anything I had before, (:

If you ever want me to reproduce it in order to help resolve the conflict, let me know.

Thanks for the prompt and effective [knocks wood] help; should it rear it's head again, I'll let you know; and thanks for a great productivity tool.

Cheers

Frederico

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